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It's been rather quiet in this tribe so I thought I'd bring up a topic that's been on my mind. In my experiences within the bod mod world I have come across a great deal of hypocrisy concerning facial tattoos. It seems people who have them are too extreme & must be crazy. I have come across a person into suspension who said I "messed up my face", & others in the tattoo "community" who feel I'm too extreme. I find this very interesting & hypocritical. What are your thoughts & experiences concerning this?
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Sun, October 2, 2005 - 8:41 PMwell, most of my friends are facially tattooed, and I'm facially tattooed, so I don't deal with that too much. However, I have heard that myself MANY TIMES. All I can do is laugh about it. skin is skin, tattoo the fuck out of it. Any white boy can be white, but I come in color. I don't think you're too extreme, I think you're hot, and so does my boyfriend. I think splitting your dick in two is pretty fucking extreme, but if you like it, I love it. Have at it.
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 6:51 AMI totally agree. Fuck em! It's my body, and I will get facial tats in due course. I just want to finish my body first. planning on the top of my head in December, and if the res6t of the world doesn't like it, it's their problem! I don't think there is a 'mod community" really, just a lot of modded individuals who share similar interests with others. Not all the same interests, but similar ones. So I would look at the community as those who share individual interests. I'm part of many communities, one of which likes facial tats, others who like boys with boobs/are boys with boobs, others who like various kinds of kink...
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 8:47 AMMy very first tatt is going to be facial/head (I am pretty well pierced on the face already). I see no problem with facial tatts, unless they seem to be meaningless. I see nothing extreme, hypocritical or crazy about them - or the people who have them. My own experience of knowing face tatted blokes is that they are amongst the most intelligent, soul-searching and interesting of people. I have no reason to think you are any different from that. They look beautiful, though I suspect most people's perceptions are less to do with freakishness rather a resentment that they cannot individualize themselves so completely. Does it worry you what people think? You're not messed up - you are almost complete as you want to be. Marc -
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 9:18 AMNo, I'm not worried what anyone thinks at all, or I wouldnt be ready to have facial tats. Just find it interesting that some peeps into tattoos & other body mods have issues with facial art. That's where I find the hypocrisy. -
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 10:14 AMPart of my point about piercings and tatts is that they should be seen. That often means the face is the most obvious place to have them. There is an hypocrisy because they have no self confidence to do it themselves; or they allow convention to tell them that facial tatts are unacceptable (as are facial piercings). But at the end of the day, would I rather be defended in court by a lawyer who was great at his job and had facial tatts, or a lawyer who was shit at his job and had no facial tatts? Question kinds of answers itself. It's a form of reverse prejudice. -
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 10:49 AMhere here. rabble rabble rablle. -
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 2:48 PMI spooked all the bod-mod peoples before i started with my face anyway LOL ............ remeber "its the gays in denial who are gay bashers!" it works just the same with tats etc all the people who "can't" get them because of blarr blarr blarr realy get pissed when someone can get there face tattooed and still has a normal life ........... its prob a bit harsh to say but theres alot of nutters in the bod-mod world (more so than the "strate" world........... -
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 4:20 PMYes there are some nutwings in the bod mod world, but as long as they leave me alone it's all good. Seems like they use their bod mod deal as a form of therapy, more so with peeps into suspension it seems. I'm into suspension but on a spiritual level, so dont anyone bash me on that statement. I guess being true to myself & being succesful in my endeavours could cause some to wish to tear me down, hadnt thought of that. I've even been accused of ingratiating myself into the "scene", which I find quite absurd. Over & out. -
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Mon, October 3, 2005 - 4:48 PMIt's almost like your mom telling you that they're just jealous, but now that I've grown up, it turns out, mom was right. -
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Tue, October 4, 2005 - 5:42 AMYep. mums are always right, and following on from the question of lawyers and facial tats- well, I am a lawyer, and although I refuse to appear in a court again, I have the right to! And I would rather be the lawyer with the facial tats in the court than some of the non-tatted lawyers I know who are shit!
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Tue, October 4, 2005 - 8:35 AMHere here......I'll take the guy with the facial tats and piercings anytime!!!!!!
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Tue, October 4, 2005 - 8:38 AMThere comes a time in people's lives when they should stop living vicariously and start living for themselves. For some, it might be a long process, but the satisfaction of finally realizing that one is truly oneself is priceless and amazing!!!!! -
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Tue, October 4, 2005 - 2:59 PMyer i have a mate who is 55 and got his frist tatsand piercings last year , hes realized its time to live for himself not how society wants him to live hes streching his ears and planing a realy nice facial tat now YAY theres some small hope for the world -
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Wed, October 5, 2005 - 12:37 PMI am in about the same condition, I am now 53, soon to be 54 and want a face tat (thinking about large spider web on right side of face nose to ear) I have played by society's rules and now I say FUCK IT I am going to do as I dam well please!! Middle age crisis and all that. I have already stretched my ears to 2 inches and have a 1/2 inch septum want to put the rest of my face metal and body metal back in asap. I have a job less then 10 yrs to retirement and am union protected so bring on the tats I already wear a mohawk hair cut and most of the time its bright red in colour. I am trying to cover my body total in gay theme tats the more vile-vulgar, and obscene the better if you have any ideas or artwork please send them to me as I got a lot of blank skin left. Slave Allan -
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Wed, October 5, 2005 - 6:05 PMIf you do the spider's web, you have to do a big ass spider crawling over your other eye. yeah, that would work. Bravo to all for starting late in life, better late than dead. I started when I was 17, my first tat.....ahhhhh the memories. Since then I'd say i've gotten maybe 20%of my body covered. I just got the face in May of this year, and LOVE it. I do however hate being asked if it's make-up......yeah, cuz i have a lil vietnamese make-up artist lady who comes over while I'm asleep and paints it on perfectly, everyday, before I wake up. Dipshits.
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Wed, October 5, 2005 - 8:46 PMI'm watching Miami Ink right now & I'm pissed. One of the employees at the shop wanted a tattoo on his head & the owner threatened to fire him if he did. Why? Cuz he didnt want a "freakshow" in his shop. I was thinking of getting some work done there cuz of the amazing art they do but now they can fuck off! Now ya see what I mean by the hypocrisy. -
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Wed, October 5, 2005 - 8:57 PMActually, I've thought that the work they do there is very ordinary. I haven't seen anything on that show that I thought was special.
Mostly the show bothers me because they repeat everything, as if we didn't catch it the first time. It's as though they didn't shoot enough video and have to pad it out or they think we all suffer from ADHD. They also do a very bad job of conveying the time it takes to do a tattoo. The show drives me nuts. -
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Wed, October 5, 2005 - 11:15 PMI'd have to agree on the repitition, uhg. I dont like tv. -
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Thu, October 6, 2005 - 2:03 AMI've seen one GREAT tat come out of there. it was the Ganesha tat that the dave Navaro wannabe did. Astounding work on that piece, but the owner (albeit HOT) did this giant "custom" backpiece of an eagle that looked like overblown flash. TACKY.
The fact that he's discriminating against the guy for wanting his head done is bullshit too, that chick that works there now has stars on her face and eyelids.
Fuck him and his ink shop.
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Sun, October 9, 2005 - 11:20 PMI was wondering if anyone out there saw that episode and thought the same thing. That bald bigmouth idiot in that show is one moron. He treats the apprentice guy like a slave making him wash his car and degrades him constantly, I am waiting for him to rip baldies tongue out of his head, since when does any kind of apprentice job require slavery treatment? Yeah I found it quite hypocritcal when he made the "freak show" comment about inking the guys head, then this bitch shows up to work there with ink on her face.
Also Baldie has whined a few times on the show about the budah tattoo on his neck and the negative effects it has had on him. For one its a shit ass tattoo with bad placement just plopped on side of his neck, looks stupid like that. Secondly if he can't handle being a man with neck ink then get it lazered off and shut the fuck up. I havn't really enjoyed the show that much and all the reality bs that goes on like most other reality shows, bickering crap who needs it. I was hoping it wouldn't go that route but I was wrong.
Sam your face ink is truely inspiring, big bold and black, great transformation man.
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Thu, October 6, 2005 - 8:20 AMit seems to me that many people simply think of facial tats as the "oops, i forgot not to do that" tattoo - and become worried about losing their jobs. Although, the people I know who have gotten them haven't lost their jobs, and the people worried about doing so 1) don't have the balls to follow through and 2) don't have jobs that would really get in the way of a facial tat
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Mon, October 10, 2005 - 6:03 PMevery day i cry into my pabst blue ribbon for going out and having my face permanently desecrated. now, my only friends are gutter-punks and their mangy dogs. *sniff* -
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Thu, November 24, 2005 - 5:40 PMMost of my body-mod friends actually turned their backs on me after I got my face tattooed. It can be such a cliqueish scene. Being the only one with a face tattoo in a room of tattoo people brings out jealousy and/or patronizing attitude games. Most of my close friends with facial tattoos are not in the business and few of us deal with people who work as tattoo artists because most of them seem to want to use us to be "cool" or as advertising and not as genuine friends. -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 3:31 AMHonestly, I'm sick of being treated like I'm a freak, by my fellow freaks, And I'm at the point where the next person who says, "Why would you do that?" is getting bitchsmacked for being a stupid rude fucknut. I love my ink, and WANT MORE!!!! -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 4:50 AMI hate when people see me with ink to my fingernails and toes and still ask me if my face tattoos are real. There is such a differnce between tattoo shop groupies and real people with tattoos. The shop groupies are so parasitic. Why did I do this? I just do not have time to waste explaining myself to complete strangers. I'm glad my project is almost over. There is very little ink I need or want. I'm 96% tattooed and am over it. I got shit before tremendously for years just because of my bodysuit and it only got worse when the face got tattooed. Fellow freaks also do not like bodysuits.
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 4:54 AMnot only do I accept you, but i lust for you.
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 1:22 PMwhen they ask if your tattoos are real, try telling them it's just crayon. -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 1:28 PMI started telling people that I have this exclusive make up artist, Kwan Yi, and I page her, leave my code, and what time i need to wake up, and she comes over and does my make-up before i get out of bed. -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 2:12 PMan asian joke, huh? that deeply offends me -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 2:27 PMthat's better-- *harrumph* -
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Fri, November 25, 2005 - 6:14 PMFairy X. Just go to HGTM.com. I was in London with the owner. He has known me 20 years. Johnny and Wayne saw me get my face tattooed.
Go to Mattgone.com is my website. I am, to use a tattoo phrase, seamlessly tattooed. 4 internal areas tattooed. As far as "are they real" I just tell people that the facial tattoos are iron on. It is funny the reactions in public make people try to act like tough guys because they are intimidated by them. Almost gotten into 2 fights in the last 2 days.
Usually i just ignore people and act oblivious to any comments
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Mon, November 28, 2005 - 10:09 PMThe biggest difference too me between tattoo and the mod world is simple. One is permanent the other is not. Ours show on the out side. Mods have too pull their pants down too show their split cocks. To me personally those of ink are that of being fearless in nature. Mods to me hide their true self.
But you have too think about fetish here. It is about respecting others personal fetish. Be hanging from a meat hook. Which we all know has grow too
Be the tough guy sport. Just like bungee jumping was a few years back. They had to reinvent themselves somehow.
But to me personally hanging or dancing with hooks or what ever the method is. This is of pain. Through pain sight is given. So I have too ask all those that do this suspension I have too know really why do you do it if you make a mockery of your brotherhood of mods. Now simply is suspension a body mod... not at all.
I get tattooed too mark growth and to recreate myself the ever changing canvas. I shape it, mold it, I create it. Other words I am in control of my
Vision. There are some many areas of the psychological aspect of the tattooed vers mods. I am sure it would be up too each individuals to justify
Themselves. But most of it is an out-word expression. Through pain comes suffering comes identifying, comes conscience, comes anger, comes fear, comes transformation, and then come laugher. just like each of us have our own opinion about ourselves and what the difference would be. The comments we get is that of a persons fears of not knowing or how too ask or behave, or truly express themselves. So just ask them why do you have too ask that question. It makes you no different that the good ole chirstians.
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Mon, November 28, 2005 - 10:20 PMHonestly, I have no respectt for people who use hooks as a "show".
Suspension is not just an art, but a ceremony. I see tooo many people doing it cuz it's "cool". EW ICK
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Tue, November 29, 2005 - 6:34 AMI have this gut feeling that many people who do suspensions and heavy body mods other than tattooing do it to be cool and also do it because they are either too cheap to get tattooed, lacking the artistic development to be tattooed, want to fit in with tatttooed people, or are simply too chickenshit to be an individual. I see a similar pattern of mentality on people who get masses of badly done tattooing with no thought behind it who have this group mentality about tatttooing. I woke up this morning thinking of several idiots I've known who got heavily tattooed with crap and they used Daddy's money to do it. They think they fit in but the problem with that is that if you have to "fit in" maybe you are doing the wrong thing. Most of these group mentality fools have uninspired tattooing that only goes along with their starfucking type of mentalities. I see so many fools that "worship" me for my "unique" tattooing but never had the balls to do anything even close to original and artistic in their lives.
No matter how much money or Daddy's help, these people will never be unique. No matter how many piercings or how much of other peoples tattooing they copy, never will they be special. So many facial tattoos are copies of other peoples and then they mess it up with piercings and every other type of modification so they just look like a jumble of copycat sheep mentality shit. Daddy can't even help them then.
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Tue, November 29, 2005 - 9:37 PMI don't see any reason why suspensions have to be treated as a ceremony. They're an experience that people can have on any level they wish. They have no ceremonial meaning to most people, and to force one on them doesn't make sense.
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Wed, November 30, 2005 - 12:20 AMyeah, I do understand that, it's just getting to the point of fire spinning. Everyone is doing it, and a LOT of people don't even understand the roots of it. It DID start as a spiritual practice. It wasn't some neat lil party trick, that people pull out of their ass. I just feel it's losing it's respect, and just becoming sideshow. sorry to offend. -
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Wed, November 30, 2005 - 8:27 PMI'm not offended, but so much of what we do has a spiritual/ritualistic meaning someplace in the world that if we avoided doing all that stuff we'd never have any fun.
Tattoos have spiritual meanings in some societies, circumcision is certainly a ritualistic practice in some groups, scarification in African tribes, tea drinking, chocolate, coffee, piercings... Some group can always lay claim to anything, no matter how loony their belief systems are.
We can't avoid all that stuff, and you (and each of us here) have adopted tattoos without feeling any sense that you're co-opting another culture's tradition.
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Wed, November 30, 2005 - 8:41 PMI own my shit, you're right, I was pissy when I wrote that. sorry, but i STILL think that people are starting to make it into just a sideshow routine. -
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Thu, December 1, 2005 - 7:00 AMI've never much cared for the sideshow side of tattooing or body modifications. They make it into a public joke. It just seems to me that face tattooing is better presented in real society. It is sad to see most of the heavily modified people in a place almost always work in tattooing or body modification on the business end. What is that line from Fight Club? "We are the ones who watch your homes, we are the ones who cut your hair, we are the ones..... Get the idea? -
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Thu, December 1, 2005 - 8:25 AMLOL, I AM the one who cuts your hair. RMAOL -
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Thu, December 1, 2005 - 8:26 AMand I'll STILL kick the shit out of a bitch. LOL -
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Thu, December 1, 2005 - 1:44 PMhahah i need a haircut :P~ -
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Thu, December 1, 2005 - 4:26 PMwell, message a bitch then, travel is fun! -
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Fri, December 2, 2005 - 7:15 AMOne of the most fun things about facial and head tattoos is shaving.
Genital tattoos too. I have tattoos up my nostril so it seems when I clip my nosehairs it is also removing hair from a tattoo.
This weekend I redo the rest of my eyelid tattooing and the flesh ink tattooing over the blown out lines is staying well but needs another coat.
Maybe go after the upper lip tattoo to bring it to the gums on the inside.
Another artist is going to touch up the linework and double black the cheek checkers. The head and neck never needed this amount of touch up. I'm going to hang out at a tattoo studio and be a clique'ish parasite.
Maybe not. Maybe I will just go worship a "celebrity" tattoo artist and be cool that way? Maybe I will just go work in a shop so i talk shit about my coustomers all day and get offended when they "supposedly" say something off color about me? You must worship anyone who works in a
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Fri, December 2, 2005 - 11:51 AMYou should go hang at the shop, and have them worship YOU.
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Sun, December 4, 2005 - 4:06 PMWow, I'm glad there's some dialogue going on about some deep things concerning the world of freaks. I do feel suspension is being abused & used as a way to simply shock people & make $, this is unfortunate. And there are many people who get tattoos simply to fit in or be the center of attention, which is wack. I choose to ignore these people & have some very good friends who have no tattoos & would never hang from hooks, which is ok with me. I'm not a scenester & judge people by their actions as people, not how many tattoos they have or how many hooks they've strung up on. -
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Tue, December 6, 2005 - 5:39 AMI judge people by the quality and intelligence of their tattoos. As for getting attention, Enigma and Katzen (Paul and Jennifer Lawrence), Lizardman (Erik Sprague) got their tattoos for the attention and to be in sideshows. What I respect is not that but people with quality, intelligent, and complex tattoos tattoos who do not make money off them BUT actually worked a real job outside the industry to pay for them. I believe my tattooing and especially the tattooing on Bluetat for example is a much better representation of tattooing as a true art form than any of the people with full body/face tattoos working in the sideshows today. Frankly, single pattern face/body tattoos are boring as fuck. I have more interesting tattoos on my little finger than most of the sideshow/industry
face/body design people have on their whole bodies. Just the mathematical complexity of my checkers beats the boring patterns they wear outright. Maybe it is the fact I invested $62,000.00 and worked a real job to pay for them or that I got them because i simply think tattooing is an art and not a job or a way to be famous. Remember, all of the sideshow people got their tattoos for free! All of them! -
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Tue, December 6, 2005 - 6:03 AMi understand what you are saying mr matt but even tho i dont want to work in the industry etc and have a real job etc... blarr blarr blarr the enigma and katzens tats have made me want to look like what i have... when i first saw thenigma in the jim rose circuse in newzealand i fort FUCKING WOW! i find katzen FUCKING CUTE AS!!! erik is intesting (aloth hasent bothed to realy reply to my messages etc so dosent matter) i still find tattroos as just that "tattoos" and not a life and always will i geess good luck to the people who make money off tattoos etc if its a sideshow or as "top" tattoer! realy i think ANYONE can find a way to get a FULL body SUIT IF THEY WANT TO............ jobs/family etc will be on your side if you realy want it the "i cant because of my job" is a bit blarr IF YOU CANT BECAUSE OF YOUR JOB.. YOU SHOULD FIND A WAY TO DO IT- i had to get a sole trader going them a company so i could do what i want... and besides i still think i dont have that mutch work as of yet (ya should see what i look like in a year form now) theres sooo manny people with awsome work that dont set foot on the net............. WE HAVE NUFFENT COMPARED TO THEM! (yer dont talk mto me about the spelling typo thingys im drunk atm :) drunk is verry nice helps me cope wiff gst/bass and all the fun of owning a company , hehe................. no excuse i know but i like it and will stop one day :) thanx mr matt for what you said.... :)
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Tue, December 6, 2005 - 1:55 PMsideshows and self-commodification: very hot. if i could turn myself into a doll with only 8 points of articulation, and an alternate wardrobe, and then be placed on a shelf behind plastic, next to five dozen identical Donatellas, i think i'd have all i really want out of life -
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Fri, December 9, 2005 - 3:20 AMhahahah cool!
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Wed, December 14, 2005 - 5:48 AMif you are the man or the woman behind the tattoos a side show would be the last thing i would offer myself. i would have too stand proud and do as i have all way done. work with people. not become a freak side show. that i find too be an insult too myself. .
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Wed, December 14, 2005 - 8:49 AMI agree with Wayne %100. Many people in the sideshows hide behind their tattoos. It is hard not to hide but most of the time I succed but it is because I live and work in the real world. Sideshow people get exploited and exploit themselves all in the name of attention and money. It is easy to shock others into believing you are some kind of diety because of full face and body tattooing but that is a poor trick to play on people and it just shows lack of a real personality. -
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 5:34 AMAh yes, I have met people who use their tattoos as a gimmick to create a persona, their tattoos hold little spiritual value. I too have taken the route of working in the "real world" & have done just fine. I've been asked to be in sideshows & nearly joined one for the experience itself. I've also been asked to be in movies but said only if I'm a good guy, which isnt what they want to hear. I've been asked to model & am considering it just to make extra $. Yes, this is exploiting myself , but in the end we're all selling our bodies in some way. I think it's all a matter of intention & content. As for hiding , my tattoos are actually revealing myself to everyone around me. Tattoos are one of the many ways I choose to express myself & consider it as more than art but a form of communication as well. -
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 9:21 AMThere have been some great thought\provoking posts on this string...I just wanted to say how amazing your tats are...it looks superb, and sod the people who dont like them....one day maybe I will have the guts to get my face done, but am afraid I am currently hiding behind the excuse (but true fact...) that I need to pay the mortgage and I like what I do..a facial tatt would not be acceptable to my employer..till that day, I just cover every other inch in ink that I like... -
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Thu, January 12, 2006 - 8:37 PMWow.
I'm having my facial tattoos begun on Jan.24 and was looking around these boards when I came upon this thread.
Personally I think there's assholes everywhere. Whether it's the chick behind some counter, the artist working on me, the minister down the street or the self proclaimed freak.
When are we going to get to a point of not giving a fuck what others do with their own flesh. Why must we judge why others suspend, obtain heavy surgical modifications, tattoo their faces, amputate digits and limbs.. where a fucking afro for christ sakes. Fuck it. What a waste of time to judge others. Really. If I don't like you, it's because your a fucking douchbag, not because of your mods, or lack there of. Period.
... To some extent, everyone's fairly hypocritical. Everyone's a judgemental cunt. Why bitch and complain about others or say you "don't get it" and then bitch and moan when others do the same to you?
Same shit, different pile. Spoon feed it if you need to, but really... Its not gonna change all that drastically for those of us concidered "extreme". We knew that, we didn't give a fuck then, why should we now?
People do regret their work, facial or not. Its more personal than anything, but ya know what.. we made the choice. That's beautiful. Thats something not to take for granted. Thats what makes us who we are.
I'm not meaning to offend anyone. I came into this thread with one impression and was thoroughly left with another. -
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Thu, January 12, 2006 - 11:16 PMI'm not offended & in fact agree with you. The point of starting this thread was to discuss the hypocrisy among people into body modifications. It can be hard enough dealing with the regular assholes, must we turn on each other? -
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 5:33 AMI'm finding more hipocracy and predjudice about my facial tattoos with tattoo artists lately more than anyone else. In comparison, the rest of the world does not even notice. -
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 5:44 AMmatt they did not get too do it . tattoo artist fear what you and other have done. -
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 1:29 PMNice point.
To some extent.
I personally find many people in the industry just out there looking to score brownie points. This obviously does not include everyone but for those in which it does, it's pretty obvious. There's a very distinguished line between a practitioner being excited to help you obtain what it is you're wanting and someone who name drops or wants photos for their shop and portfolio.
Just prior to the holidays I had a pretty traumatic death within my family. I just recently contacted 2 cutters I personally know with the want of having them do some facial scars and using the ash remains. One refused to have anything to do with human remains for personal reasons. The second agreed as a friend, knowing that what I'm looking for is discretion and respect. Wrong. I've since been contacted by others wantingto either be present, take photos, even having the gull to ask if I'd concider them for the work.
Birdies have big mouth mouths.
It's made me realize how extensively this community has changed.
Something which used to be personal is now bragging rights to hang on your shops door, to take photos for interviews and magazines...
Talk about freak show.
As far as the hypocricy goes. You are so right. I'm pretty sick of people telling me I'm somehow "ruining" myself...or that I am about to step beyond the realm of what even the most tattooed artist would concider alright. But I understand this and with that, perhaps it will be a stepping stone to weeding through the bullshit people we thought were friends, or even may have been.
I say here, here. It's your call, your problem, weighing on your shoulders. Not mine. -
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 3:09 PMKinda fucked that a person can have all kinds of plastic surgery and even cosmetic tattooing but to have your face tattooed is taboo even to the artists.
What I specifically have seen and am now told is quite typical of the world
before and after facial tattooing is that the biggest supporters of my plans
were the ones who flipped out the most negatively once they realized I was going to and then cut me out when I did get my face tattooed. They were scared of me because no matter how "cool" these fools were I obviously
was a constant reminder of how chickenshit they were. Mainly these were tattoo artists with big egos and a hired posse of employees to support their egos. There is no way these weaklings could do what I did which is to work
outside tattooing and pay real money for them. Many fools want to use me
for their portfolios or to use me for bragging rights. The worst tattooing i had
was from an asshole like that. Privacy? in tattooing. Tattooing and piercing has got to be the biggest bunch of incestous gossiping braggart lying 2 faced losers I ever met! All they do is sit around and gossip and god help you if you make a remark about them and brusie their fagile adolescent egos. Most of them are just crybaby businessmen with no balls or talent. -
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 3:43 PMhahaha.Ouch. But for many, right on cue.
Since you mentioned cosmetic tattooing, I'd like to agree whole heartedly.
Much of the hypocricy stems from judging the extent or context of work. Levels of such like cosmetic surgery/ line work, dots, simplified maori designs/ more intricate coloured piece work like temples, foreheads etc to overall transformation such as yours, Matt.
People really need to give their heads good hard shakes and wake up to the fact that although something may be too extreme for you to carry doesn't mean it in any way is wrong. I think you see this just as prevelant in the surgical and extreme mod scene. Digit amps chocking out vile, malicious comments about nullification. Individuals with split tongues hounding surgical genital mods. Fuck, even me laughing at Britney Spears navel ring. To some extent, it gets done. Not more so in one aspect or another. It's just outright bullshit. i think to some degree we've either all had it done or have done it.
Many if not all of the heavily facial tattooed individuals I've met say that at some point, even if only periodic days, feel regret toward their facial mods. They also go on in saying they're made to feel this way not only by mainstream society which they've grown to expect but by brotherin.
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 3:48 PMQuestion,
Do you guys find the context and extent of work to be the main cause of most of the negative feedback found even within the "community"? -
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 4:23 PMI'm posting quite often but this will die down, I promise.
I was wanting to quickly comment on suspension, and other forms of modification.
Suspenion has really piqued in the past 5yrs. It has become the quest for who's got the biggest balls and a picture show. However, I was involved with a suspension team prior to the big explosion and can say that the performances I agreed to work with were to raise money within our community as well to larger organizations such as breast cancer and aids society. I did take training I did not ever hang with crowds or in performance. I did help people. I did use this as spiritual rites. You can't clump everyone together. There are many different reasons as to the why's and why nots.
We can't knock the entirity of suspension. Most of what we hear or see is such because it was and is meant to be exactly what we view, performance.
As far as the mod work goes, I don't get it. I'm viewed as weak because I have piercings and scarification? I'm hiding my surgical mods under my belt? I'm female and not *tuff* enough? It's all just laughable. Because I don't walk around with someone's face in my crotch 24/7 doesnt detract from my having to source out- very extensively and research cutters, climbing onto a table to have pieces removed from your body, having backlash from lovers, friends etc for doing so...
Why because it isn't as public does it then lose personal meaning, suspension and balldance is too performance and piercing, scars, etc too mainstream?
Is this not... hypocritical?
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Fri, January 13, 2006 - 7:04 PMThe problem people have with me is the extent of the work on my face. Some say I'm scary lookin'. -
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Sat, January 14, 2006 - 5:52 AMI so far have not had much luck scaring people though I have used my face tattooing to intimidate people out of being tough with me. People like checkers and kids call me the "cartoon network man". checkers are just such a neat design. My full head and face also are 1 fully designed tattoo so even cops think I'm different and cool because of the mathematical complexity
and obvious planning/dedication of my tattoo. I do believe piecework tattooing gets a different reaction than full concept facial tattooing.
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Sat, January 14, 2006 - 6:03 AMOh yeah, I will say this over and over again. White tattoos (especially on pale Canadians from Calgary) are not and will never be considered facial tattoos
to me. IAM owner guy like to brag that he is the "most successful person on the planet with facial tattoos". He has white on pale ass skin. That is neither a facial tattoo because it is almost invisible nor "successful". Isn't Mike tyson the most successful facially tattooed person on the planet? He does not even
make a living off tattooing. That makes him 10 times more successful. All these scuzzbags making a living off tattooing anf then braggin constantly abouty how they can have public tattooing and consider themselves "successful" is such a load of bullshit to me. Success means not having limp dicked wanker attempts at facial tattooing and not depending on it to help you make a living. Having your own tattoo shop with a bunch of ignorant hired cronies surrounding you and telling you your great is not successful.
It is a stupid lie these assholes believe. Get a real job and get over yourselves. You would not make it in the real world without your cronies. -
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Sat, January 14, 2006 - 9:41 AMI think that's a bit much.
Shannon's worked his ass off over the years building bme into what it is today. No matter how narcisistic he may come across, I've never once heard him claim to be the most successful tattooed person. He had waited many years before touching his face. Just because it isnt as dominant, doesn't mean it isn't tattooed. The reactions in day to day life obviously differs in such circumstances. But by your views white ink doesn't count. Would you say Moko tattoos count? What about dots or lines or chops? Do his facial scars count?
To each their own.
Talk about judgements.
Not everyone has the desire to get their faces covered with black ink. It's not a contest or a *balls* thing with everyone.
I'm not quite comprehending how a thread about hypocricy within the industry and community can swing out and start attacking others you may not feel courageous enough. In many instances, it's not even about that.
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Sat, January 14, 2006 - 1:28 PMHe claimed to me several times about being the most successful tattooed person in the Hemisphere with facial tattoos. Specifically pointing out the few members of his website for comparison. Tottaly ignoring others who are more successful than him. You cannot see his ink or scars from 2 feet away. This is not about facial scars anyway. I like visible facial tattoos if they are well done of any kind .
I just will never believe in white ink as a visible tattoo concept on pale skin. He is a very good example of hipocracy
in that he is a part of the body modification industry.
It is not about courage or balls, it is more about visible tattooing and white is just not visible. it is also about the bullshit people in the industry give others who work their ASSES off to pay for their tattoos. Is someone with nearly invisible tattooing and visible attitude on their face more in touch with the reality of having facial tattoos than people with acually visible tattoos of any kind on their faces? We all work our asses off for our tattoos and most work much harder than him for less. Few of us can afford cronies or expensive property. How many of us work our asses off in real life? Maybe it is about courage after all. I waited years before tattooing my face and I worked the last 12 without even a single vacation. Where is my fan club of followers?
Where is my website of zombies telling me I'm great? I do not work in the industry and get no ego satisfaction from my facial tattoos from it nor money to live on from it.
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Sat, January 14, 2006 - 2:09 PMI dont like white ink anywhere because it's too pale & needs to be constantly redone to stick. If they came up with a better white I'd use it, including on my face. Yes, there are a lot of assholes in the tattoo "industry", but this is true of all professions. I really dont give a shit what other people do with their bodies or listen to peoples self proclamations of being anything. The ego can be a very dangerous enemy. I hold no anger towards people I feel are doing a disservice to the art & community of body modifications, I simply stay away from them & go about my life. I have to admit I dont pay very much for my modifications if anything at all as I have a few friends in various fields of body modification & get deals. Some of my tattoos I did meself. I did work hard to get where I am now in life without exploiting myself in any way, but if someone else wants to be the poster child of facial tattoos they can have it, I dont want it. I want to be known & appreciated for the accomplishments & good things I've done in my life, not the art I chose to put on my body.
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Sun, January 15, 2006 - 12:07 AMwhite tattoos usually look like a creepy shade of yellow to me when i see them in person.
it's like treading that fine line between body art, and localized jaundice. but whether or not they "count" as facial tattooing, you obviously seem to feel very strongly about this topic, Matt. and obviously, Shannon feels very strongly also.
this would be called "pre-ten-tious-ness." pretentiousness can be a beautiful thing, especially when you have a reason to snob it up. Shannon feels that his home-grown success is reason enough to be a success snob, you feel that your obvious artistic commitment is reason to be a tattoo snob, and i'm just a snot-nosed princess from Brooklyn who was always a perfect little angel in every way, stunted by early onset of a megalomaniacal superiority complex, and blessed by a Mafia father who mysteriously died and left me everything. c'est la vie.
however, Matt, attacking others will unfortunately get you nowhere in life. it should be used purely for entertainment purposes, and the subsequent humiliation of aforementioned third parties is only an added bonus.
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