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I looked at a Mori web site a couple of years back. I've never considered getting a Moko tattoo. It seemed disrespectfull to me. I'mnot a Maori and it's a specific cultural identifier.
On the site my perspective was confirmed. Maori find non Maoris with Moko inspired images as a kind of theft.
Any impressions?
On the site my perspective was confirmed. Maori find non Maoris with Moko inspired images as a kind of theft.
Any impressions?
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Thu, August 19, 2004 - 11:04 AMwell i agree , I have made a point to not really take from other cultures when i tatted my face ...because cultural appropriation SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, January 10, 2005 - 8:04 AMno i dissagree CULTURAL APPROPRITAIONS LESS THAN SUCKS.. IF you are the man you say you are then you would do the research to find out where you really come from. a person's history or a tribes history is there for a reson do not diss miss it because you wish not too be. we all have our own path's . is it truth or just because i can attuide....
Wayne
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Thu, August 19, 2004 - 12:55 PMI doubt that you're talking about copying a true moko. They are unique to an individual, and yes, that would be wrong. It's like a signature of that individual.
But if you're referring to a tattoo around the mouth and chin, designed for you, that's OK, because it's not a moko. We in the west tend to think of it as a moko, but that's only because we don't recognize the differences. Other cultures have had similar tattoos.
The Maori have a word, "kirituhi" (spelling?) that refers to regular tattoos that aren't unique individual identifiers. That's probably what you'd end up with in a western tattoo. -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Thu, August 19, 2004 - 2:46 PMI agree with Bill P a true Moko is for the Maori. But other facial ink is fine in my eye, I have been looking at inked faces for years and there seem tobe two results. One a full facial or part facia in a tribal form or one where the wearer has started with one small design and grown from there. Both results are are the wearer choice. I like the tribal form but seem to have fallen into the dot here star there wearer. Hopefully the dots will get connected. -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, August 23, 2004 - 8:26 PMim from nz , (ozzy atm) , i keep drawing up facial tat desgins for myself and they keeplooking too maori-like somting i dont want , oh the problems wiff being a white bugger ,
ive see ALOT of female maori tats on white guys , i think its fine as long as they dont go ner a real maori guys(unless the tats where done by a set tribe in nz) becasue the bulk of the guys ive talked to realy dont like it to the point of geting pissed off bigtime , maori tats are awsome!!
depends on who you talk to i guess , but i wouldent get anything maori on me , even tho people seem to think i have maori desgines , witch i dont. -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, September 27, 2004 - 4:51 PM
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, January 10, 2005 - 8:00 AMI personaly feel that MOKO's around the mouth alone would be that for a female. Yes men start out as having just a MOKO. But how long will you wait till you finish your face......
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Tue, May 24, 2005 - 4:51 PMTrue Ta-Moko is a unique Maori cultural item that should never be misappropriated by a non-maori. Apart from the possible consequences of blundering into bar full of Maoris after you have it done (LOL), as it is a unique signature of an individual from themselves right up through their family & clan, how would you feel running into a Maori proudly displaying YOUR coat of arms tattooed on him? Tattoos with a Maori feel to them are available that are quite acceptable to Maoris... simply do your research before you have the work done, and you'll eliminate some potentially offensive problems. I have some Samoan work on my hand, & I avoided conflict merely by sitting down with Samoa's premier artist, Su'a Suluape Petelo, and saying "do whatever you feel like in this space."
That way I knew that whatever I ended up with was acceptable to him culturally. As it's not always practical to be able to do that face to face, correspond with a Maori artist, & get (or pay) him to design your artwork. You get an original piece & respected for your consideration, the Maoris retain their cultural integrity & heritage, and everyone gains. -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Thu, May 26, 2005 - 5:48 PMChili,
Great suggestion.
Thanks.
>>As it's not always practical to be able to do that face to face, correspond with a Maori artist, & get (or pay) him to design your artwork. You get an original piece & respected for your consideration, the Maoris retain their cultural integrity & heritage, and everyone gains -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, May 30, 2005 - 10:10 AMI asked a Woori once, and he said that the chin is just for women, and he finds that funny; also he said he appreciates any respect and admiration the Maori get because it isn't much!! As long as it is the persons own design and it is not copied from a person it is a;l good:) Its like saying only cottish people can wear kilts; that is fucking stupid! I'm Scottish too!!! I think if it makes you happy, and you are not hurting anyone; go for it!!! -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, May 30, 2005 - 10:10 AMI meant to say Maori not Woori...LOL!!!! -
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Wed, June 22, 2005 - 4:26 PMI've run into Maoris' who've asked me questions about my tattoos & I had to explain they're not Maori. They do not take kindly to culture vultures. I've made friends through these interactions. I have a lot of people who assume my tattoos are Maori because that's all they are aware of. Almost all peoples at one time were heavily into tattoos, do some research & find out about your bloodline, that way it has true significance to you.
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Sun, November 20, 2005 - 7:34 PMIt is so possible too gain information and to talk with a tattoo artist if you do your home work and reach out and find an artist .
I have been talk with George from Tahiti before I went there and meet him for over 3 years.
My first visit too Tahiti was back in 1990 on my world backpacking tour.
I did a lot of looking searching reading and using the net too find those out there.
George is an amazing man in south pacific islands. While talking with him over the years I was able too gain his understanding why I decided too go with tribe work. Because each piece means something and say something about the person. In some cultures the face is divided into section. Family, tribe, history etc. so when different cultures see someone that covers the face in a MOKO . it really just shows how uneducated we are about the culture and the art form. So before one starts the work find out before you pick a pattern.
While in Tahiti. I meet a Maori woman. She identified me as being of a tribe of an cultural background. She ask if I was any part Maori. I said in some way I just might be. I am of the Cherokee nation. We had a long talk about Americans crossing cultural lines without knowing. I agreed and understand where she is coming from. Take for an example. A simple triangle means land. But what you put around it could mean your people came from over seas and traveled by boat. Carried food in bamboo boats.
It is like the scarlet letter you could ware on your face.
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Re: MOKO For Maori Only?
Mon, November 21, 2005 - 2:12 AMI lived twice for long times on some Pacific islands and of course I was also discussing the matter with friends there and thinking sensitevely about copying unique tribal designs ... respectfully understanding [a little bit of] the wide range of their cultural background as well as their present life - finally I found my own solution to see the matter. If one looks to completely different native cultures around the globe - one is going to realize, that quite a number of certain designs are widely spread - some of very old/traditional "unique" Samoan designs are exactly similar on [my antique] carpets from southern Russia - surely with a different meaning of it. Hmm - who might be the "owner" of such native designs ? Would it be allright to use on fabrics but not for a tattoo ? ... I guess, it's a matter of respect to use it. And for the moko, we all understand that's unique of the Maori people - though, in a worldwide cultural evolution of mankind of more than 100'000 years - who can proof ? All that makes me belive, as long we don't copy exactly a certain [Maori] design, we shall feel free to use patterns of our all cultural background. For years I've been thinking of getting my chin tattooed with a bold [= tribal ?] design - in Aotearoa[New Zealand] that's for women only - even as a gay I feel as a man - and actually I don't see my chin tattoo as a kind of a Maori adaption - but of course I won't get a copy of anything, because it will be designed to match my chin. Certainly I know, I'm influenced by the people in the world I live - though I usually make my decisions to satisfy my aims.
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